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Attendees

NameOrganisation
Nicholas KolbaOpenfin
Saori FotenosRefinitiv
Tim KoleckeCitadel
Rob UnderwoodFINOS
Tosha EllisonFINOS

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Discussion items

TimeItemWhoNotes
1minSelect Scribe for meetinggroupwe need someone to minute the meetingTosha Ellison
10 minOther FINOS Governance itemsgroup

Nicholas Kolba met with Aaron Williamson and Rob Underwood (Deactivated) re: governance.  Here were the minutes from that meeting: 

  • Minutes Embargo
    • 2 days
    • Only available to WG members (Confluence group) then made public
      • Automatic process if possible, otherwise admin access for committee/PMC leads
    • ACTION: Aaron to raise INT for INFRA
  • Standards Ratification
Process not spelled out in POP
  • Generic voting rules sufficient, plus ratification by PMC?
      • If not, amend the POP to set out explicit voting rules for standards
      • ACTION: Aaron to attend next FDC3 PMC meeting
  • Role of PMC & other WGs in approval of WG-ratified standards
      • Proposal:
        • Notice-and-comment period
        • WG decides whether to revise
        • N&C for any revisions
        • Ratification by WG and PMC
      • ACTION:
        • Aaron to review PGP & POP re: revising POP
        • Aaron to draft revision to POP
      • Process not spelled out in POP
      • Generic voting rules sufficient, plus ratification by PMC?
      • Role of PMC & other WGs in approval of WG-ratified standards
      • Parking lot: communications re: why we're different from a standards development organization
    • FDC3 Badging
  • Aaron: Ought to be a certification mark
      • Prevent bad-faith/inconsistent use
      • Foundation needs to own the trademark to register & enforce
      • Should comply with PTO requirements for certification marks to be registered & enforceable
      • Aaron: Ought to be a certification mark for FDC3 compliance

    Commentary from the meeting:

    • Minutes embargo
      • FINOS will investigate the feasibility of and work involved in implementing a 48 hour minutes embargo and will report back to the group on options. (Action with Rob.)
      • If there is a significant amount of work involved then the group should re-visit the importance and decide if it is worth the effort.
    • FDC3 Badging
      • There is still some work to determine what the certification badge means, how to use it consistently and how to ensure it is not used purely or largely for self-promotion. Neil and Nick have an open task around definition of certification and welcome feedback from the group.
      • It should be clear that this is compliance badging and not simply a badge to say that you are an FDC3 member.
    20 minGovernancegroup

    decide on process for ratifying standards.  

    Proposed outline:

    • Proposed standard raised by WG
      • by consensus
      • by majority vote if consensus can't be reached (good faith effort)
    • Proposal Published on Confluence or Github (depending on WG)
    • Proposed standard presented at next general meeting
    • Mailing Group set up for Proposal comments
    • 2 weeks comment period from community
    • PMC ratification
      • by consensus
      • by majority vote if consensus can't be reached (good faith effort)
    • Ratified standards should be versioned and published on confluence

    For Use Cases, the process is simpler:

    • Proposed standard raised by WG
      • by consensus
      • by majority vote if consensus can't be reached (good faith effort)
    • Ratified use cases should be clearly marked and published on confluence

    Commentary from the meeting:

    There are still a few things to work out including

    • Where proposed standards get documented - this needs to be a place where people can comment without having to be in the meeting.
    • This can be tricky as some members can't comment on GitHub and some can't even post to Confluence.
    • FINOS will look at the options for this and report back to the group. (Action with Rob)
    • Given that ratification of use cases will be more frequent there may be no need to ratify these by the PMC, working group ratification may suffice. 
    20minAOBgroup

    Action items